Re: Things that make us go ooouuch...

What is it that makes the self an evil to be gotten out of? Where would we go if
we did? Is this just a play on words.  Or what about the problem of having the
source of fascism, in the self, fighting against fascism?  From where would this
source of the self, this fascism in the self, or inherent evil in the self, as the
self come from? In the former case wouldn't it be the self that fights against the
self that determines that the self is out of the self, and in the latter, wouldn't
it be the fascist who would be removing the fascism from the fascist in the
fascist?  But should we trust a fascist to truly rid him/herself of fascism?
Would the fascist even have this capability, this skill, this knowledge to detect
fascism?  To remove? Could this removal be done enough? If the self was evil would
we trust the self to rid the self of evil? Do we trust the thief to lock the doors
from the thief?  The fox to protect the hens from the fox? Do we trust the liar to
tell us when they are lying and when they are not?

If what is being claimed is in fact true, we could never tell if we had rooted out
the fascism because we are the evil source of fascism itself.  It seems it would
be a delusion to think of there to be an "out," or that we could know it,  given
how it is being described to be "in."  I do not see this possibility without
linking these issues to the life span, which includes the developmental tasks, of
individual human beings.  Our past life, our experiences, our family, our culture,
these all combined can explain the source of the problem and open a way out.
Otherwise how do we describe this perpetual second by second fighting the self
against the self. In a similar way,  Jurgen Habermas has also called on the
importance of human development for creating societies that would avoid fascism,
by creating selves that are capable of avoiding fascism in themselves.  Fascism is
described as a way of being as self.  Not that I am convinced by all of Habermas'
developmental solutions, but I think developmental solutions are the direction of
the solution.  Even in a broader sense, toward a larger philosophical target, this
is an argument made by Alasair MacIntyre in  _Dependant, Rational, Animals_.

David

vroummmm wrote:

> fascism is a behavior of human beings who have not reached
> >> a high enough developmental stage.
>
> /i d say fascism...a behavior of humans who have not, and do not fight against
> themselves every second you can live...(of course sometimes its more complex,
> but time lacks me to extend this here)...this seems to me to be at least a
> preliminari, practical test if you wanna 'our' societies get out of fascism
>
> I'll think about what I'm
> >doing here.
>
> nothing, get out of every-self, change of planet
>
> Planet Venus