Re: nightmares, REM, freud, jung, solms

Hi Chris



>Dear Richard,
>
>You have made some wonderful observations in your posting which to me
>are probably very close to describing ways of reading and writing
>literature, good novels, poems, performance, film and video
>that take it out of the waking subjectivity of structural narrative
>analysis and hint at other ways of thinking narrative and stories. Do
>stories have to be continuous? I don't think stories are continuous
>except by dint of an ideal interpretation. Stories always divert,
>jump and cut and the notion of narrative continuity is suspect. Can
>you add to my comments below, or any others who have interests in such
>things.... (time permitting of course, or can I quote your posting if
>I need to?)


  Yes, please use anything I put our here. I consider this a public channel.


>  >
> >   But when sleeping, the access to the neurotransmitters that allow
> > identity structures  to rigidly hold together and produce grids,
> > thereby  reterritorializing dominate cultural
> > axiomatics,  disappear.   That is, the dream state is full of narratives
> > and subjects, feelings and thoughts, repressions and productions, and 
> these
> > work in a way that is unfamiliar to the subject, who upon waking may 
> recall
> > a "dream" but in fact is only recalling the last slice, the one it can
> > identify as a story.
> >
> >   Disjunctions appear as gaps  between dreams because the subject relates
> > to them from its experiential story-frame. Deterritorializations may be
> > experienced as apocalyptic or may be seen as loss of consciousness.  Each
> > dream story, while it is being produced, is like a child playing on a 
> train
> > track, and a track at the intersection of an infinite vortices.  The
> > subject consumes the dream as narrative, but can only rarely use that
> > narrative structure to reterritorialize its identity.




>What do you mean by narrative structure here? I think you are getting
>at something more interesting if you drop the old idea of narrative
>structure and story and started re-thinking narrative and story in
>this disconjunctive way.

Yes,  thanks. I guess I still think about narratives as kind of linear 
story-based production, which imposes a kind of linearity upon them. Taking 
more your view of  narrative as a rhizomatic site of dispersion opens this 
up and gets at a different set of dynamics in the dream.

  I wish I hadn't lent out my copy of Black Spring by Henry Miller. In that 
book he has a couple of dreams he records and though linear in one way, 
there is movement though a kind of stream of consciousness style that hints 
at the possibility of the stream overflowing the banks.

   - Richard