Is that a human oven, or an oven with humans in it,
there is a difference! I think, after reading the
basic propaganda ladled out by the newspapers, that we
are facing something very serious. I am amazed that
the USA won´t admit that it´s foreign policy has
problems, and that the USA is unpopular abroad. Any
criticism of the USA is simply sour grapes on behalf
of Europeans, who the USA tried to help all those
years ago. Well, that´s bollocks, I am my ancestors
are and were Ulster Scots, we supplied 20 of the USA´s
Presidents, and much more, and, to my mind, at present
anyway, the USA stinks,
ciao-allora,
Paul Murphy
--- Ruth Chandler <R.Chandler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
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> thanks for your analsysis which i think just about
> spot on re the visual gridding of terror. i don't
> know what kind of recording suface it is but i do
> know that this forces me to think the limits of some
> of D and G's concepts-absolute detteriorialisation,
> the desire to take capital off its hinges through
> speeding everything up for example.
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> i don't think i have said that the planes are an
> illegitimate use of the syntheses-more that
> confronted with the specificity of this event, i am
> once agin, unable to affirm the disjunctive
> synthesis. as a part of the difference between all
> which must be raised to the status of an ontological
> affirmation, i find that the best i can do is say no
> to that actuality and affirm that as part of the
> difference between all which must be raised to the
> status of an ontological affirmation. this is not
> confined to this spectacle, i felt like this during
> Rwanda- feminist responses to ER are quite hard to
> make anyhow-how can wish the return of patriarchial
> violences as a neccessary part of ones own
> affirmation, how can one say that about slavery, the
> Holocaust, all the bloody violences that are part of
> the total virtual past. true the active memory of
> the future is supposed to enable one to select
> against all this but there is nothing in Deleuze or
> Nietzsche which suggests that the positivities
> unleashed would not be more intense forms of
> violence
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> i'm having a bit of a struggle with nihilism right
> now but, i basically think, along with some of the
> other posts, that the task of thought is not to
> create new figures for good and evil but to try and
> produce concepts adequate to the problem.
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> re recent postings, GOM was burnt for me a long time
> ago although i agree that it is an apposite
> diagnosis of what has been, as the outlines of a
> problem which contain more dangerous question marks
> than the ones N raises.
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> Ruth.C
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> Hi Ruth,
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> Thanks for your reply. I'm am trying to apply these
> things I read about
> syntheses to all that has happened lately.
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> What happens as we talk about the planes running
> into the WTO and the
> Pentagon as illegitimate uses of the syntheses? Its
> seems to me that running
> a jet into a building is like demanding that one's
> own interpretation is
> going to dominate, that the multifold connections
> made possible by the
> buildings and the jets have been reduced to rubble,
> to something past a limit
> from which less can return. Nothing has been
> liberated or freed, but all has
> been reduced to a few piles of the same. The
> repetition of differences has
> been changed to repitition of the same.
> What kind of recording surface is this? I'm not
> even sure how to get at
> this, but I can see the macro manifestations in
> nationalism, talk of more
> destruction and revenge, loss of innocence, global
> witch hunts and the loss
> of a society that might show any signs of tolerance
> to difference. These are
> all at the object level, so I am just guessing that
> the collape of the
> buildings is like a pseudo-surface that falls back
> in on itself and
> appropriates all the connections for itself. As my
> friend said, she is
> "glued" to the TV, but its the attempt to cathect
> with the trauma, the rubble
> body-without-organs has repulsed all attempts to
> connect with it and has
> distributed these connections across the globe as so
> many TV eyeballs. Yet
> something restricts the relations, and the eyeballs
> relate better than the
> rest of the body, which has been excluded from this
> event. We give blood for
> victims that don't exist. The surface of this event
> has fallen back upon
> itself and aborbs everything. It produces
> illegitimate subjectivity as well,
> exlusive us vs them, even if the "them" remains
> faceless. As we learned in
> the movie Alien, the faceless monster always
> produces a grid of terror far
> wider than a complete object. Now subjectivities
> produced are nationalisitc,
> picking sides, machines of hatred, of revenge. The
> BW/O makes us nauseous as
> it becomes slippery taut and too early distributes
> relations all pre-pared by
> media questions about whether or not to play
> baseball this weekend.
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> If so, the question for me becomes how to bring
> together social forces in a
> way that allow the BW/O to operate as a legitimate
> distributor. Finding an
> identity for production and product is almost
> impossible for the individual
> when we are talking about running a jet into a
> building of 5000. It was not
> a jet anymore. Even the word bomb is a stupidly
> small brick. The jet had
> been turned into a fascist state and the WTO into a
> human oven.
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