i enjoyed reading this beautiful text much more than your fctions, clarity
of expressiveness like fili's. better reading than the same old scuzz in
commentary books as you talk about
>From: paul verbena <verlainelefou@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: hi-- Watch what happens Fili
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Watch what happens now Fili. Watch the reactions. To me this is all fiction
>and
>experiment, but the monsters of literalism go beserk. They still dont know
>how
>to read after all of these years. THey read that someone named CLifford
>Duffy
>said Derrida was dead and they go nuts. Theythought that Paul Verbena said
>Derrida has had a heart attack and they get upset and shoot words like
>mature around. Meanwhile we carry on. I seen it happen ever since my first
>month in the "list" Its a disease Fili, a real disease and some people here
>have it congenitally. FIli, dont you realize what its about. Many of the
>readers on this list are high paid academics who fly from conference to
>conference and imagine they are making statements and perhaps in their
>delusions imagine they are changing the course of history. Many many of
>them, are at best imitators, and members of the MLA. They teach, and we
>know that most teachers are crooks. They give pompous chats around the
>planet. They are always innocent as charged, and they are never hungry.
>They always quote Deleuze and Guattari to suit their own image and most of
>the time that is fine, except these gals and guys are utter bores. Over the
>years I seen what happens around here. Nothing and then some. For me it is
>a place of fiction and for that I am grateful most grateful indeed. I
>recall when this guy Stanly from Paris was on, he had bite at least. And
>then the wankers came on full steam whining when the Palestine thing was
>going full tilt two years ago. Two bit hicks and shits they were.I can
>imagine Deleuze getting bleary eyed lookin at these fucks. Half of them
>have never read what Deleuze is writing about, and most of them never been
>near a nuthouse, at therapy centre etc. Rare is it one hears about Miller's
>influence on Deleuze, or Kerouac. Why? Its not correct baby them guys were
>almost women haters! What shit, what laughable shit. And the French side of
>the deleuze scene, well I dont know it but I can imagine its purer and yet
>diritier cause the French are anal to begin with. Rarely does one hear
>about the poets and D&G. Why, because that is too explosive. I read this
>piece of philo recently that claimed to be a real advance. It came out of
>England. IT was a book about Foucault by one of the cats in !
>the Deleuze Engineer book. It was amazing, I read about 6 pages and then
>realized it was the same old tripe. I read it all before and here they were
>claimingit was new./
>It was drivel specialized drivel. You know something, ask yerself why
>Philosophers wrote about Jean Genet. and Why Gilles Deleuze wrote about
>poets,
>I tell you why baby, cause we got the power and they knoww it. But Deleuze
>was
>special and eveyone from the old dog derrida on down knows it. He was good,
>and he was honest,
>and that was special. I have never read or heard a bad word about the guy
>except for
>some resentful idiots who speak from the side of their mouths from time to
>time. Why do you think so many have dedicated themselves to his work, no
>matter that they are deleuded beyond their wildest hopes of understanding
>him? Because Deleuze and Guattari opened up the scene baby, like Sartre
>did. What the others did (and Do not do yet) not do, neither in their
>means or in the content. No university anywhere is going to Let you or
>Anyone do real Practice. The whole purpose of the University Nowadays is to
>End Thought and Make Everyone Paranoid. I remember some punk singer once
>told Sylvere Lotringer that the body was a fascist. He said to the guy, can
>you repeat that? The body is a fascist. That does not surprise me. Rimbaud
>" ONe night I sat beauty on my lap and found her terrible.... etc." Yes,
>beauty the monster beauty the orgress. Yes, Derrida wrote about Genet. Yes,
>and you wonder why. BEcause Genet knew man, he knew things these philos do
>not know in their wildest dreams. And Derrida loved and was intimidated by
>Genet. They walked around in Paris in 68. And yes, that is the way it was.
>And I asked a lady I know, who was at Cerisy two years back at some Genet
>conference in the south of France where Derrida was yacking what he had to
>say about Genet's last book. And the old guy said the book hurt him at lot.
>"Cette livre m'a blesse" words to that effect. Well, well, geeze, are we
>impressed. Old derrida has gone Oedipal oedipie. Can you imagine Deleuze or
>Guattari saying such stupid and assinne things , even to themselves. Or if
>they did, they would be ashamed of themselves, and repress them, but not
>derrida. derrida must be heard tousjours. Oh no, he has to whine. Its not a
>game , friend, its areal thing. Writers die every day and lots of poetry
>goes unheard because other people talk at conferences and say stupid
>things, and lots and lots of parasites gather at the corpse of dead authors
>bodies to eat them. Hundreds of parasite and any time some one Original
>comes along, in a Comic Spirit, or in a P!
>erformance Spirit, or a Tragic spirit they are Killed sucked dry and
>tortured. They are accused of everything. OF being irrelevant out of order
>of not following the rules of not having published, not havin done their
>book, not having done their dissertations, their papers , their exams. Of
>not being up to the mark, of not havin done the traditional path first. Its
>amazing Fili, all of this goes on every day, and it does not matter who
>reads Deleuze and Guattari and how many time that they read them, they do
>Not Learn. Anything. Nothing Has Changed.
>A Ca Ca -- Ca ca Capitalism CA Ca pi pi and aca aca. All linked in the tiny
>paronoid letters. Very Artaud who was most Prescient. As was Isou and
>others.
> And Nothing Ever will Until the Future has Come . BeCOme. But geez I
>better not say any of this, else I get assaulted here and there by
>ignorance, slander, silence and abuse. Take the Music scene Fili, that is
>the real fascist scene; all the arses who do Music and study the
>Deleuzeguattari thing, they are really dangerous. They take it to the LImit
>of Ultimate ignorance... It goes on and on. I could write about it for year
>s and never say enough. I dont have time, I dont try any more. I gave it
>up.De temps a temps I pop up. I hear horrid stories about cheap bastards in
>the various guattari deleuze scenes and how they deign to help Anyone who
>is not lInked to their Careers to their litttle books about Deleuze. Christ
>have you read any of the shit these idiots publish?? hahahahah its
>laughable and then they attack Negri and Hardt./ Imagine being mean about
>Tony Negri? God, that takes a low mind. I heard one story about a chap who
>has a web site, and he wanted to make some links with other deleuze sites,
>and he had such a hard time with one guy who did not even bother to reply
>to his request to link his site.As IF that would Cost Money or Something.
>Yet this little shit who has done lots of stuff about deleuze fancies
>himself a worker in the deleuzeguattari industry. Let me Tell you Fili, in
>hell there are places for shits and monkeys like that. There are places for
>second rate poets and academics who burn the core of living artists with
>their power grabbin gut baggin shit facing nastiness and greed. and the
>hell of fires burns for a long time. Think of the hatred which fosters a
>Stalin. Think of it Fili, and then Really, for ONCe think of
>Deleuze and Guattari are talking about when they Say Revolution is a Ugly
>thing and that it has little todo with what people are planning. Its all
>fantasy man,. it turns out we are Monsters. In What is Philosophy there
>pages and pages about the NEw Eartth and People that is going to Come and
>the Cost of this NEw Earth.
>None of it is personal. None of it. Except Class war. and the Vengeance it
>exacts, and how the escape Always blows up in the face of the flight path.
>No one want s it to Happen, but it does. DT. RT. COnservative and Radical.
>Rhizome and Death. NO reason to resent, so many apartments and so short a
>life. so many readers and so few writers.
>Delire is the norm. Not the other way around. Yes, happiness for the few. I
>prefer the aged Sartre to the aged Deleuze. Why? Because he was active. On
>the other hand, I prefer the aged Deleuze to the aged Sartre / Why? because
>he was sick and crazy and jumped when he had to. I prefer the aged Genet/
>Why? because he did neither. Always a neither nor. Always. A neither Nor.
>To be an Imitator with First class. Be first class with yer use of others
>work, not some second hand lacky of whoryshit. I prefer nothing. LUcas.
>the Collective wound.
>Good tools if you know how to use them. The Hamlet letters. yes, and
>others. Even.
>Many many of these words are "all my words are on parole."
>Of course none of it is conscious.
>Do you think they are doing it on purpose? For the most part no.
>They work hard.
>They make so much available.
>But then , How DO they make it Available?
>Who is Controlling it?
>Under what Conditions?
>Are there Group Actions?
>Are there Discussions?
>Are there Group Fantasies being articulated?
>whatis being repressed and kept out
>How many conservative dt's are happening?
>We can go on for a long time.
>It is Outside that counts.
>Be a breeze.
> paul verbena <verlainelefou@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Ok Fili, here is the story. I am interested in the level of fiction, and
>you
>
>seem to be interested in the level of the real. For me the list is a space
>
>to explore the epistemes of fictions and to create disturbances and
>
>other effects in this way. In all lists. If that bothers you its okay,
>
>Dont send mystuff. I am not hurt. I know most of the people who
>
>read these things are literalists and not literary. I am a creator and a
>creator of effects and this is my interest. Not that I do not have other
>interests, but this is surely a major one and one that needs also a space.
>The monsters of literality, from Derrida to the rest , do not understand
>it, because they have the power. The power to be published and to be heard
>any time they wish.
>
>Good for them, I am a poet and that is why Genet is my father and not
>Derrida, and that is why derrida is afraid of me and Genet who is and was
>my father. There are others too let me assure you but derrida and the rest
>of them, all the ones who control power they dont want poets to make noise.
>Noise is not political. I am not saying Samzidat and those guys are bad,
>buy they wish to take themselves so seriously, they dont realize that the
>micro is a space for change as well. and in our minds we are molar.
>
>They dont see their Own Molarity.
>
>I seen this in the deleuze list for 5 years now.
>
>Never please be hurt or offended by anything I say to your pieces and
>writing.s
>
>Take my comments as dada probes and ficitonal barbs. I admire you.
>
>I believe we are very similar.
>
>So take care,
>
>and let us be friends, whatever gender you are. And for once you should
>know that I am a man.
>
>Take care,
>
>P.
>
>
> fili houtman <filihoutman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: send excuse to multitudes
>please i remind you because otherwise you will
>forget -ciao
>
>its important, not a game, i was trying to talk on this list. i wish i knew
>why you said all that yesterday, and mostly why you did that thanks if you
>can explain a little this confusing mind you produce and delete.
>
>
>
>
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