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+  From: Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
+  Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:37:55 -0700
here is a link regarding
http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/
german_theory_and_criticism-_1.html


On Oct 8, 2004, at 3:22 AM, Sylvie Ruelle wrote:

> i am thinking of the romantic movement and the German "sturm and drang"
>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:37 PM, James Garrabrant wrote:
>
>> adline vanlindenbergh <bisouxnoursfast@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev den Thu, 07
>> Oct 2004 19:46:11 -0700:
>>
>>> we could ask the nasa or the marines to explain us if they agree with
>>> what was said here by you, i would personnaly find their experience
>>> of
>>> internet forum quite the contrary that this forum seems to imply:
>>> "as if
>>> they were dumb folks". is this true? are they short brained?
>>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:23:58 -0700, "Sylvie Ruelle"
>>> <sylvieruelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
>>>> so then there is no way to psychologically prepare for battle and
>>>> the
>>>> terror of it?
>>>>
>>
>>
>> If you're referring to my post below, then I'm going to point out
>> that my argument
>> was instrumental, even ironic. I should thus mention two things:
>> According to evolutionary theory we all think we're better than
>> others (Nasa-employees
>> and marines included)
>> &
>> this perspective encompasses their transparent want to not appear "as
>> if they were dumb folks".
>>
>>
>> Junk-food for thought.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:39 PM, James Garrabrant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Richard:
>>>> >
>>>> > But hey, you're just begoing the naturalistic fallacy.
>>>> > According to the evolutionary perspective it was acceptable to
>>>> allow a
>>>> > few million on one's side die, because:
>>>> > - there was a belief in victory,
>>>> > - that there was a veil of ignorace over who would die,
>>>> > - that that were was a belief that the sacrifice of a few men
>>>> would
>>>> > be best for the survival of the group.
>>>> >
>>>> > I suppose this boils down to that the genes aren't aware of
>>>> terror. I
>>>> > suppose if I were a biologist and my theory starts breaking down
>>>> here
>>>> > I'd cite Ernst Jünger's "Storm of Steel". After all, the terror
>>>> > experienced is not understandable, it's a "queasy feeling of
>>>> > unreality".
>>>> >
>>>> > "The incredible forces in the hour of destiny, to fight for a
>>>> distant
>>>> > future, and the violence it so surprisingly, stunningly
>>>> unleashed, had
>>>> > taken me for the first time into the depths of something that was
>>>> more
>>>> > than mere personal experience. That was what distinguished it from
>>>> > what I had been through before; it was an initiation that had not
>>>> only
>>>> > opened the red-hot chambers of dread but had also led me through
>>>> > them."
>>>> > - Ernst Jünger, Storm of Steel
>>>> >
>>>> > Enjoy.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Nine-million soldiers perished in the First World War and did
>>>> not
>>>> >>> pass their genes along. The way the leaders of nations sent
>>>> nations
>>>> >>> to their
>>>> >>> death, the bizarre nature and quantity of the slaughter,
>>>> borders on
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> psychotic.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To attempt to rationalize such a destructive form of behavior,
>>>> to
>>>> >>> assume that it actually made sense (from a biological or any
>>>> other
>>>> >>> perspective) is to deny the terror that one would experience if
>>>> one
>>>> >>> encountered what actually happened.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> With regards,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Richard Koenigsberg.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
>>>> rw_artette_lc@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
> Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
> http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
> rw_artette_lc@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
Ms. Sylvie Ruelle
http://home.earthlink.net/~sylvieruelle
rw_artette_lc@xxxxxxxxx


 
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