Re: Kosovo

Could it be that, from the perspective of the Kosovo rebels (what a hoot 
of a word!) NATO/the West is a war Machine?  Imagine the damage 15,000
ground troops an round-the-clock flocks of A-10's can do?  Is that really
any better?  Problem is, once you open onto a war machine, you must either
control it either the state, and watch while it marches over the top of
you--the outcome is never guaranteed...

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  Gordon W. Coonfield
  Humanities Department
  Michigan Technological University
    <gwcoonfi@xxxxxxx>
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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, WarMachIne wrote:

> 	We are all Crucified on war machines. How does one write oneselves
> out of them ...?? where there is a voice, a blood...
> 
> 	Whatis really terrible is that Europe waited so long to do
> something about this monster in Serbia.  As thousands  pour away fromtheir
> homes and the potential extermination.  One terrible image which I just
> saw on thenwews reminded me of the  holocaust. A train was let into
> Serbia. It was filled with refugees from Kosovo. They were let in to
> Macedonia for a few minutes; it was surrounded by their police army  and
> sealed  off. One woman came to give them the refugees a bottle of water.
> Then the same refugees were sent back to  Kosovo where the Serbian
> soldiers arekilling . I watched this a few minutes ago on the news. itwas
> awful chilling andbrought tears to my eyes. I wish  I could go an join
> the soldiers and  fight these evil bastards who are killing innocent
> people in the thousands. Humanity is a maniac. It ishas been this way for
> so long that Europe is afraid to stand up and  fight these maniacs. Europe
> and America have become so afraid to  stand up and fight and lose soldiers
> that soldiers dont have meaning anylonger. That civilians and millions
> more will die again and again before jets go and bomb. This serbian is a
> maniac. The world, well, what does one say about the world. I only hope an
> pray that Europe Nato and America get the courage, and my own country too
> to go there with ground troops and beat this bastard out and all his
> gangster armies and police terrorist squads and for once make some
> semblance of democracy there. Make an example that the west is not
> tottally absent of courage and not afraid to lose lives -- soldiers,
> military men and women too if they want, to prove that it is worth while
> to live and To die too,, yes, for something important to die for life and
> to fight for life to save the thousands of innocents and to make a
> meaning of our words and countries or else everything  is a joke and
> meaningless and that when the time comes when they willbe "ethnically
> cleansed" No soldiers will come to help them and save them from the
> murderers and  massacrers  . Because if we dont take action then we are
> all victims  and we will we all be gravy for the maniacs when they come to
> our houses and cities and villages.
> 
> And I include my own country in this. I say we have all waited too long
> for the maniac in Serbia like we have waited and continue to wait for the
> others. Like Pinochet.  What acomprise is politics we all know. However
> how long does one compomise before the thousands  and perhaps the millions
> will be massacred and slaughtered? What I think is this: Give a few days
> and send thousands of air-borne parachuting men there ,  like world war 2
> and fight this serbian army directly and punish them for doing what they
> are doing to thousands and thousnads of men women and children. Sometimes
> a line must be drawn to make justice work. If not,, then we too,, all of
> us perhaps will be one day be abandoned as some other gangsters come to
> kill us all and our cities and villages. the world the world is filled
> with  injustices, but must Europeans and Americans keep sitting still and
> waiting until it is too late before taking action??
> 	I saw the photos of serbian peoples smashing stores of american
> businesses in  Belgrade. They are fools. It is themselves they smash.
> theyshowed them having rock and roll concerts saying We are Victims...
> yes, no doubt some are. yes, they are the victims of their own smug
> passive fascism. Theyhave brought this on themselves. And they are only
> lucky yet that no war no great war has begun again to make them really
> suffer as others are suffering. I hate war, andI hate violence. But you
> know when I see what is happening yes, my heart is outraged and I wish we
> could make war against those evil people who hate and kill anyone who is
> not like them.
> 	the world was made, if indeed it was made, it is here for
> everyone. and until we all learn that lesson, then we will keep on killing
> and slaughtering each other until the end   of the world. In Sudan I
> hear of other terrible atrocities goiing on. This planet is a
> slaughterhouse and we need courage to change it.
> Maybe I
> will join the army. No, I cant I am too 'old' but perhaps I will go and
> start working for justice again in some way. somewhere. Here int he city.
> How to spread love and some understanding amongst us human beings who are
> iosick with memories of hatreds that go back centuries. We need to change
> our memories and learn new ones. Last night I did a class I was presenting
> about a poet who died at 26 in WW1. It was quite a war that one. All war
> is terrible. 'A terrible beauty is born' wrote the Irish poet Yeats on
> Easter of 1916 during the uprising that made Ireland the country it was to
> become free of England. yet that war is not over yet.
> Maybe if humanity could not see war would end.
> Be safe and love humanity in every way possible. It needs our love and
> outrage and justice.
> 
> 
> 	Maybe. But how do love and war cross? Cross the currents of death
> and love. Hundreds of thousands on the move.
> 
> 	What it to old to die, if there is nothing left to believe in,
> nothing left to live for, and die for?
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