xmlns:owl="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#" http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L Mailing list archive for Heidegger-L at Architexturez en-us contact@Deleuze-Guattari.info (admin-Deleuze-Guattari) Copyright (c) None Architexturez IMPRINTS 2008-11-29T14:14:42+05:30 http://mail.architexturez.net/logo.jpg http://mail.architexturez.net http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg23284.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:54+05:30 Two sides of the same coin? [snip Mathematical Category Theory] Okay, I may be waaaay out of my league here but doesn't the fact that you can choose some starting point at all (A "That" or a "this") mean that there is already a whole mess of stuff that is assumed in your starting point? That is, I take it that you have to start with some "thing" which is already "out there". As "a thing that is out there", it already has all the qualities that you are trying to explain it into having. To once again oversimplify an idea I got after reading heidegger: Heidegger realized what Eastern philosophers always knew, there is no part without the whole and Dasein has to already understand the whole before the parts can become clear (The room and the tools example from B&T). Take the room you are in as the entirety of the "whole" (I know, problems will already arise from this but let us not dwell on the nature of the infinite). All the "stuff" in your room only make sense in light of the room. Heidegger showed us that uo... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg23253.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:54+05:30 With this last comment made by (???) Anthony, I see a new problem arising. I've never understood Heidegger as claiming that Dasein "had" Being. It is not that which Dasein and only Dasein possess. Being is that in which all presences have a share. Dasein, unlike objects and animals, both has, and does not have Being. Milan Kundera (_The Unbearable Lightness of Being_) allows man's condition (as Dasein) to be told in the Christian mythology that we are, perhaps, all aquainted with. Through humanity's hunger for knowledge we cast ourselves out of a natural order (though to what extent we isolate ourselves is an other issue) -- symbolically, Adam and Eve partake of the forbidden fruit and are banished from the garden. In Heideggerian terms we may retell the story. In the irrational (because knowledgeless) state of Oneness, Being was. Dasein was an animal (which, like an object, is entirely caught up in Being). Now, with that simplicity lacking, comes the possiblity for knowledge. To what extent we are isolated f... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg23217.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:53+05:30 --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- ------------------ http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg23145.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:53+05:30 On the other hand, I suspect Heidegger wouldn't deny that Nietzsche is "correct." --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- ------------------ http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg22859.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:52+05:30 And I will remember that my entryinto the matter was through sexual politics, through traces of sexual practice (his and mine.) When I come up for a little air this fall, I will have to reconsider and see whether this entry was forced or mutually consenting. If this list is active and open for thought, this is where I'll try and float some of the questions I have come up with. (Gee, this sounds so testimonial ... perhasp I should have started off with, "Hi, my name is Michael and I have been a practicing theory head for .... does anyone know if Ronell has a followup section to crack wars on twelve step programs?) http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg22853.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:12:52+05:30 "When Heidegger states that time is the condition of the possibility of care, so to speak its constitutive structure, he is basically still within the Kantian framework which principally asks the question: "What makes X possible?" Later Stambaugh writes that Heidegger perhaps leave metaphysics behind when he speaks of 'Appropriation' rather than Being and Time. My concern is principally with Heidegger's concept of time, not the rhetoric of overcoming or leaving behind metaphysics. It is clear that time as the structure of care is Kantian (at least it's clear to seveal Heideggerian commentators). Does anyone have any thoughts on this and any possible relationship of this to Nietzsche's eternal recurrence? chris --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- ------------------ http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg01556.shtml Unknown 2008-11-29T14:09:53+05:30 Archive file 96-01-09.204: 95-11-01 20:14 Anthony J. Domini Response to Suggestion 1105 95-11-02 00:25 Christian Lotz care & Dasein 1340 95-11-01 20:42 Anthony J. Domini Word on wyrd 927 95-11-01 23:34 Anthony J. Domini Those who may be as Dasien 489 95-11-01 23:51 Anthony J. Domini the nature of <for-> 610 95-11-02 08:00 Christian Lotz the nature of <for-> 2401 95-11-02 03:04 Anthony J. Domini care & Dasein 1277 95-11-02 02:29 chris rickey Heidegger's use of the word "polis" 8286 95-11-02 04:37 William Lenco Structure 635 95-11-02 04:37 William Lenco Pushing Forward 928 95-11-02 04:36 William Lenco care & Dasein 1948 95-11-02 05:06 William Lenco the nature of <for-> 2513 95-11-02 06:47 robert scheetz care & Dasein 1033 95-11-02 07:29 Curtis Clark Structure 99 95-11-02 22:31 Christian Lotz the nature of <for-> 5594 95-11-02 18:36 Martin Weathersto "Essent" 511 95-11-02 18:40 malcolm riddoch death and temporality 2646 95-11-02 20:14 chris rickey care & Dasein 2689 95-11-02 21:25 William Lenco Structure 288 95-... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg19335.shtml elliot 2008-08-27T07:59:11+05:30 I much appreciate the wisdom of the members of this mailing-list and discussion board, and am much grateful for info about an English translation of Kunst & Raum. But now I must ask again for information about whether there exists an English translation of a Heidegger text, namely Sprache und Heimat (GA. 13). Hope someone can help me. Thanks, in anticipation. Kristina --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg18975.shtml elliot 2008-08-27T07:43:42+05:30 I am not a philosopher. I am an architect. I have been a hobby philosopher for years, and have read with much interest the writings on Heidegger and art. My problem is, that I don't speak German. If I understand correctly, there is no English translation of Kunst und Raum. But if anyone knows of a translation, if only a rough one for American college students (!), I would be very interested to read it. I hope that someone can help. Thanks. Kristina --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg06046.shtml Aristotelos 2007-11-27T17:35:29+05:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene de Bakker" <rene.de.bakker@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: Re: <fwd> Zizek interviewed I think he said what everyone really knows. When one "breaks the ice", as we say in english; that means a certain space where violence is allowed to happen. You know you are starting a relationship when you are no longer pussyfooting around and being all careful with the other and just let go. Somehow Zizek makes me feel comfortable, loosens me up. I don't agree with every word but I read him with interest. Gulio --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg06045.shtml Aristotelos 2007-11-27T16:12:45+05:30 Hi Rene, Sorry, haven't checked my email since I wrote to Michael a while back. Expected to get back to some hard thinking but got only an "I don't really know how to go on" response. I'm not sure what this metaphor thread is up to. I think I understand a "representation"; or how poetry can be philosophical so that by analogy (?) a sail boat on the seas can be 'intentional aims' for example. If we look at the primordial meaning we also have something like a transcendental vehicle, an ecstatic transport so to speak, a shaking digression, a swerve? Isn't the Lichtung associated with a lighting flash? Is this a question of a Eureka! kind of experience? You know like when Wittengstein tries to 'understand' the nature of 'knowing' something like a formula, or a piece of music. At some point you just know how to go on... Paul Valery wrote an essay called Eureka which tries to get at this moment. I think the ancient idea of kosmos is probably close to Heidegger's world and freedom. Gulio --- from list heidegger@xxx... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg05943.shtml Aristotelos 2007-11-18T22:02:38+05:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eldred" <artefact@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Heidegger Agora" <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Sensuous Metaphor Well, excellence in overcoming difficulty I suppose. You are right as often, the presocratic beginning is love or fire which is like a "knot in the object" as Aristotle says in Book III, Chapter one 995a in the translation I have at this moment, kind of like the "now" difficult to think. And further on he says that this is precisely the hardest thing of all and the most perplexing, "whether unity and being, as the pythagoreans and Plato said, are not attributes of something else but are the substance of existing things, or this is not the case, but the substratum is something else,-- as Empedocles says, love; as someone says, fire..." Perhaps, also important is to state the difficulties well because as Aristotle says, "it is impossible to untie a knot one does not know well." There is hardly much decisiv... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg05939.shtml Aristotelos 2007-11-18T14:28:02+05:30 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C829DE.764CC3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Sensuous MetaphorI don't know this thread goes on forever. It's the = black and white, on/off and we have a byte thing over and over again. = Language barely allows an expression that goes down the middle or that = mixes kinds even, like an oxymoron, like hybrids or any kind of porous = border. I take it that a symbol does that if it means a mixture of = clarity and obscurity which gives it it's truth quality in Heidegger's = sense if this means the untruth of truth. just a thought, Gulio sleeping ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Staples=20 To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Sensuous Metaphor =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:owner-heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael = Pennamaco... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg17004.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-28T15:23:38+05:30 Yes, I Very well, but may I ask you what you intend to do with them? I wouldn't want to aid and abet the use of the heidegger archives for any perverse or unsavory practices, you know. Well, first of all I intend to sit here and read them with my naked intentions in mind whose freedom opens up new and exciting stimulants that are the pulse of my lingusitic life and then who knows what the future brings. Life gets stranger every year. Ariosto You're mistaken. Its perfectly real: you are quite impossible. -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- _________________________________________________________________ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg17003.shtml malgosia askanas 2004-11-28T15:02:45+05:30 Very well, but may I ask you what you intend to do with them? I wouldn't want to aid and abet the use of the heidegger archives for any perverse or unsavory practices, you know. You're mistaken. Its perfectly real: you are quite impossible. -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg17002.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-28T14:44:53+05:30 from know have They are not in tarred and gzipped format right now, but if someone wanted to install them somewhere I will be happy to make a tarball available via FTP. The total size of the heidegger archives at Virginia is just under 113 MB. This is nothing we are used to downloading 700mb files on high speed. Yes, I think we would want to have a tarball available via FTP please. Ariosto Raggo? Is it possible? I like to think I'm impossible but it's just a dream. Ariosto -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg17001.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-28T14:35:43+05:30 btw, i was once a subscriber to a yahoo group, the Townes VanZandt list, archive access was easy and had no really nasty irritations like the ones that ThatPete mentions, don't recall any irking ads - We could move to yahoo groups for now if people are more comfortable there. Getting a mailing list host is an option also? tymp regards kenneth x --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg17000.shtml malgosia askanas 2004-11-28T14:35:28+05:30 They are not in tarred and gzipped format right now, but if someone wanted to install them somewhere I will be happy to make a tarball available via FTP. The total size of the heidegger archives at Virginia is just under 113 MB. Ariosto Raggo? Is it possible? -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16999.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-28T14:25:38+05:30 Hi Malgosia, Thank you for the link. We have been discussing the archives at the new list. My understanding from what your wrote is that the archives are in tarred and gzipped files? I know you are going to make them available at dirftline.com and some of us have them on our hardrives going back years but is it possible to make the Heidegger list archives available for download as a whole from somewhere? regards, Ariosto Well, since my name has been invoked, a Google search for mailing lists hosting archives brings up, as the first item, this interesting URL: http://www.esosoft.com/mailinglist/ For those who want to play with the Calculator, there are currently about 100 people subbed to this list. I am sure there are a number of other similarly interesting outfits. -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! --- from list heide... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16998.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-28T13:45:14+05:30 Well here on ramble at raw bolts and nuts level I assume the critical issue is available hard drive space and a permanent place for it. Just checking the size of my personal accumulated Heidegger incoming posts filtered directly into my H box, there are about 40+ megabytes, this since jan of 99. These are in Eudora Client format, I think the actual spoon archive for these same posts is probably much less as it uses plain text, tho there are few small command programs that make it easy to move around I agree your stepping in with what you've done so far saves our bacon and gives us uninterrupted stream so it is the best possible interim solution offered. Thanks!! btw, i was once a subscriber to a yahoo group, the Townes VanZandt list, archive access was easy and had no really nasty irritations like the ones that ThatPete mentions, don't recall any irking ads - regards kenneth x --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16997.shtml Tudor Georgescu 2004-11-28T13:32:58+05:30 "Democracy has its own philosophy and desires no other philosophy!" I quoted from memory the antidemocratic philosopher Martin Heidegger. Count me as antidemocratic, too. Tudor Georgescu --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16996.shtml malgosia askanas 2004-11-28T12:59:38+05:30 Well, since my name has been invoked, a Google search for mailing lists hosting archives brings up, as the first item, this interesting URL: http://www.esosoft.com/mailinglist/ For those who want to play with the Calculator, there are currently about 100 people subbed to this list. I am sure there are a number of other similarly interesting outfits. -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16995.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-28T12:49:38+05:30 Fine: and thanks; I set this up in order for there to be something (rather than a possible nothing) available before the dissolution, and I called it 'experimental' because it might need to be a temporary home for the list... Not sure anything has been precipitous yet, or committed: we can change where we end up, but the vanishing of this list is just a few days away. We need to have a list in hand just to discuss these very issues (you raise) of where to go next etc that suits the emembers, otherwise the 'we' turns into a ragbag of 98 email addresses. I thought it best to act quickly before the axe comes down. But I agree that some research is needed to possibly find a better host and I shall engage in some myself; in the meantime, at least we can still be something of a 'we'. Thanks, Reg, for bringing up these important matters. Perhaps we need to conduct some kind of collection of heidegger-list members' requirements for an alternative list host, and then such research might not be too open-ended but be r... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16994.shtml michaelP 2004-11-28T12:33:30+05:30 so why don't we... (?) agreed, Kenneth, but what would have (not) happened if the list was not to be wound up in 12 days time? this past six months or so has been critical anyway with losing the likes of MichaelE and Anthony and effectively Allen (never mind whether one agreed etc with them, they provided much and for long) etc... with the possibility of carrying on with topica or something else we are at least possibilising the rebirth or resurrection or whatever of the list (you never know what might happen, nothing if it disappears, that's certain). I'm sure we all have our explanations or whatever for why the list has gone down somewhat since earlier days, but things go up, go down and go up again... Kenneth, with the list still surviving in one form or another, then we have white-hope-rene available to curtly thrill us and perhaps inspire us to greater heights (no irony); I know I have a whole bunch of issues arising from his raps that I haven't had proper thinking time to respond to just now, but I sha... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16993.shtml michaelP 2004-11-28T11:38:00+05:30 Reg, it is now, but it started with hosting discussion lists (and that's why I remembered it), thus the name -- topica... If we decide to not allow HTML (and thus attachments, etc) then possibly any ad thing, etc, will just be a bit of text at the end? which one can ignore as much as the footers that appear at the end of the ones here... I'm not sure of the significance here... does our discussion list (at topica) "convert" to a newsletter? (defined as a list whereby only the 'owner' can communicate via email to the subscribers and not individual subscribers to all other subscribers; is that the case here? Again, I'm not sure of the import of this: do you mean that "topica" appears on each message somewhere, so that it can be searched etc? The 'other' heidegger list at yahoo groups have these tags at the end of messages: have they experienced any "sharing/selling of data"? What would that (data) mean wrt to the contents of a philosophy list? And, although/if they could, *do* they spam lists? I'm not sure, bu... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16992.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-28T11:17:51+05:30 well we've 12 days to the end of the Spoon Heidegger List Christmas party, during which time we have in Malgosia one of the most experienced Hosters of high quality Lists management available to us for counsel. So - - - - but maybe its just - - - - or, from where I look out on our situation here i see that, aside from Rene and a very few others, their seems to be dam little philosophy going on here and far too many posts of endless drivel of the idee fixe variety, including my own. Or at least that's the low spirit that loomed when I read the first original posts from the H archive and contrasted those with what appears here today. probably the onset of the demise of our forum - - - - IMO, Rene is the great white hope - rising in counter to all this darkening of minds in the decline and fall of efforts toward attaining to the highest peaks of what it is possible to think today. There is never any drivel in his curtly expressed impressions of our highly problematic times - - - - - I dunno - - - - kenneth - - ... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16991.shtml That Pete 2004-11-28T11:04:14+05:30 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16990.shtml Reg Lilly 2004-11-28T09:17:42+05:30 --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16989.shtml michaelP 2004-11-28T02:29:20+05:30 Hi every one, just in case the automatic invitations, to join the new attempt at a heidegger list to carry on (perhaps) after this one dissolves in a week or so, have not gotten you all, if you wish to join and see if it suits you, then please do the following: send a blank email to a particular address, of which this is everything except the asterix -- please substitute the letter "u" for the asterix [the reason for this is according to malgosia, that if I (as I have several times!) use the s-word (s*bscribe) then the server-thing at spoon thinks it is a request to the server and not a message to the list...]; the address: ThinkHeidegger-s*bscribe@xxxxxxxxxx Hope this is clear ;-) regards michaelP --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16988.shtml michaelP 2004-11-27T13:14:26+05:30 Hi Jan, you should have received by now an invitation to subscribe to an experimental new heidegger list at topica; you can try it out and see whether it works for you. If you haven't received the invitation to join then contact me and I'll get it sent to you immediately; we now have about 12 subscribers. regards michaelP --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16986.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-27T13:03:35+05:30 File heidegger.archive/heidegger_1995/heidegger_Apr.95, message 4 http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16985.shtml Jan Straathof 2004-11-27T12:47:23+05:30 Hi Michael and all others, i agree, let us re-group and start a new list, i see several possibilities: - start our own new Heidegger list at Topica; (are there other free sites?) - maybe one of our current list members can run a new list on his own computer system, one doesn't need robust hardware to host a group of approx. 100 members; - maybe one of our current list members is affiliated to an university or institution that is willing to host the list, some German university seems a good place, esp. to guard its integrity --- no, this is a joke ;-)) What do you and others think ? We must decide soon before Malgosia (which awaits divine grace for all the good work) pulls the plug on dec. 10. yours, Jan (btw. i'm not that attracted to the idea to migrate en mass to the heidegger-dialognet) --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16983.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-27T12:33:28+05:30 This is the 3rd post: (the second was only a tech question.) --------------------------------- File heidegger.archive/heidegger_1995/heidegger_Apr.95, message 3 http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16982.shtml malgosia askanas 2004-11-27T12:31:55+05:30 That's because the heidegger list did not start at Spoon. It was started at Thinknet (which was run by Kent Palmer) and, at the time of its move to Spoon, was moderated by Ermel Stepp (who also moderated the habermas list and the now defunct ontology list). In 1995, Ermel joined the Spoon Collective and moved his lists to Virginia. He actually later tried to move the heidegger list out of Spoon, but we held onto it - which made for a very rancorous parting between Ermel and Spoon. -m --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16980.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-27T12:23:20+05:30 The below is the first post to the HList, from the archive, although the beginning of the second paragraph refers to an earlier post. ??? ---------------------------- File heidegger.archive/heidegger_1995/heidegger_Apr.95, message 1 http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16979.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-27T11:59:43+05:30 I'm intested in the reading of Heidegger/Irigaray too. I'm thinking on Nietzsche's trope of adventure on the high seas, water, and it's relation to fire, air and the earth. tympan ----Original Message Follows---- From: "michaelP" <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Heidegger/Irigaray Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:12:33 +0000 Jan, not sure what can happen now given the message from malgosia, but I am trying to get a message through to the list (so far unsuccessfully somehow...) that I have set up, experimentally, another possible heidegger discussion list; it awaits subscribers other than myself... Hopefully all will be revealed regards michaelP --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994p;DI=10... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16978.shtml Jan Straathof 2004-11-27T11:38:41+05:30 US declares economic war on the world By W. Joseph Stroupe November 25, 2004 On Friday last, Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, noted for his rosy assessments of both the U.S. economy and the dollar, shocked his global audience when he warned in the clearest terms yet that the dollar is set unmistakably for further significant decline, resulting in powerful negative repercussions for the U.S. economy. Mr. Greenspan warned that, because of the mounting trade, current account and budget deficits the U.S. is running, the foreign appetite for investment in the dollar was bound to plunge sooner or later. He gave his listeners every reason to conclude the U.S. deficits and imbalances have gone past the point of reversal and correction - at least by conventional means. Mr. Greenspan's comments almost immediately sent U.S. stocks and the dollar lower. It has been speculated that, in the face of the grim economic reality of the deficits and imbalances that have taken deep root within the U.S. economy, Washington has finally... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16977.shtml BobAuler 2004-11-27T07:44:19+05:30 and iraq is "troubled" --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16976.shtml michaelP 2004-11-27T06:12:57+05:30 Jan, not sure what can happen now given the message from malgosia, but I am trying to get a message through to the list (so far unsuccessfully somehow...) that I have set up, experimentally, another possible heidegger discussion list; it awaits subscribers other than myself... Hopefully all will be revealed regards michaelP --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16975.shtml GEVANS613 2004-11-27T05:52:32+05:30 Heidegger: "The explicit and lucid formulation of the question of the meaning of *Being* requires a prior suitable explication of a being (Dasein) with regard to its *Being*." and - Heidegger: "Dasein is a being that does not simply occur among other beings. Rather it is ontically distinguished by the tact that in its Being this being is concerned about its very Being. Thus it is constitutive of the Being of Dasein to have, in its very Being, a relation of Being to this Being. And this in turn means that Dasein understands it" in its Being in some way and with some explicitness." then - Heidegger: "Only when philosophical research and inquiry themselves are grasped in an existential way as a possibility of being of each existing Dasein--does it become possible at all to disclose the existentiality of existence and therewith to get hold of a sufficiently grounded set of ontological problems." Jud: It can be seen plainly and unarguably that the notion of *Dasein* is envisaged by Heidegger as the disclosive or ... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16974.shtml Tudor Georgescu 2004-11-27T05:31:53+05:30 Kenneth, softened due to a long presence on this list. All I can say that mine are simply bigger, not smaller than before I wrote here. What else is SAPERE AUDE than having big intellectual balls? To the philosophers here: Cojones! Tudor Georgescu --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16973.shtml michaellP 2004-11-27T05:06:41+05:30 just testing to see whether the list is still operational... --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16972.shtml michaellP 2004-11-27T01:29:20+05:30 Ken'th quote: "Once upon a time there was a tavern Where we used to raise a glass or two Remember how we laughed away the hours And think of all the great things we would do" I woke up this morning and felt depressed as if in mourning and realised how big a part of my life this list has been for the past seven years or so; almost like losing a lover suddenly. The love of thinking-with, suddenly blown away. Imust properly and thoroughly thank Mal for all the effort that must have gone into keeping this (not always harmonious) list a-going (it cannot have been easy). What now? "i cannot go back to your frownland my spirit is made up of the ocean and the sky and the sun and the moon and all my eye can see i cannot go back to your land of gloom where black jagged shadows remind me of the coming of your doom i want my own land take my hand and come with me it's not too late for you it's not too late for me to find my homeland where a man can stand by another man without an ego flying with no man lying and no one d... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16971.shtml Tympan Plato 2004-11-26T22:04:37+05:30 Thank you Malgosia. Oh man this is sad we are homeless wanderers about to leap into the unknown;-- it looks good to me. Any ideas how we might reorganize and relocate elsewhere? We have to stop arguing for once and try a little co-operation for a change ;-) I know it's hard but... tympan _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16970.shtml Kenneth Johnson 2004-11-26T21:11:19+05:30 Once upon a time there was a tavern Where we used to raise a glass or two Remember how we laughed away the hours And think of all the great things we would do Chorus: Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose For we were young and sure to have our way La la la la la la La la la la la la Then the busy years went rushing by us We lost our starry notions on the way If by chance I'd see you in the tavern We'd smile at one another and we'd say Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose Those were the days Oh, yes, those were the days La la la la la la La la la la la la Just tonight I stood before the tavern Nothing seemed the way it used to be In the glass I saw a strange reflection Was that lonely woman really me? Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forev... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16969.shtml BobAuler 2004-11-26T19:47:48+05:30 i want to thank you for the many years i have been on this list, with only occasional comment. i'm a lawyer, an ex-undergrad-philosophy-major, and do not have the current argot or information to enter into meaningful participation. but i enjoyed the material i read over the years. as a lurker, i got a great deal out of it. i appreciate all the hard work that went into it over the years. please do not feel that it was in vain, or was misunderstood by those who were not trying to do so. i'm sorry that you have found that the tone of this group has degenerated into a political scolding. if you secretly start another, please let me know. bob --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16968.shtml bob scheetz 2004-11-26T18:17:00+05:30 Your valediction, malgosia, ...a thunderbolt, ...but, seeing the latest list-snub, impossible to mistake the force of its argument. Perhaaps it's just the finitude of things, ...my effective list is long woefully diminished, ...have lost track of all who've cut me, ... tho yet well worth it. Anyway, my experience is these things tend to occur this way, ..."a brief shining moment," the eros of thinking escaped the necrotic hand of the specialists. I've been deeply enriched, and am grateful for the boundless generosity of your part. sincere apologies for my manifold stupidities, etc., ...my part in the disappointment of your hopes and passions. i shared them. bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "malgosia askanas" <ma@xxxxxxxxx> To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: The heidegger list - PLEASE READ you almost life understanding that was a orientation - the changed, indifferent for that our preservation find or for can somewhere operating either archives,... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16967.shtml baldypeep 2004-11-26T12:12:14+05:30 Moi aussi! regards michael pennamacoor --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16966.shtml michaelP 2004-11-26T11:57:37+05:30 whatever else one might say at this sad juncture, Stuart, your problem has dissolved... more later. regards to the shortlived all michaelPeeved understanding operating --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16965.shtml Henk van Tuijl 2004-11-26T11:56:06+05:30 Dear Malgosia, Thanks for the opportunities offered by this list during the years of its existence. Best regards, Henk van Tuijl From: "malgosia askanas" <ma@xxxxxxxxx> To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: The heidegger list - PLEASE READ --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --- http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16964.shtml michaelP 2004-11-26T11:51:06+05:30 Hi Jan, I'm not quite sure how this is going to go given Stuart's desire to do this offlist and whether Calypso might want to join in... but, although Irigaray's text on Heidegger does in-volve the body all the way down, albeit an aeriated [sic] body, she does not deal directly with Islam, rather more the Greek elements (the text is one of a series dealing with the elements, including one on Nietzsche and water {'Marine Lover'}). It's a shame that Andrea is not on this list anymore since she was working on a dissertation that combined Irigaray's critique of Heidegger with other feminist responses to archi-texture [sic]; she has now finished her dissertation and I await the end result with eagerness. I hope that you'll find the discussion interesting nonetheless. I am hoping to kick off next week, one way or another with a close reading of her first chapter. regards michaelP ps: rene, I did not mean you wrt the business of interruptions of an unwelcome manner, but... guess. --- from list heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxx... http://mail.architexturez.net/+/Heidegger-L/archive/msg16963.shtml malgosia askanas 2004-11-26T11:45:12+05:30 Dear All, This is to let you know that in about two weeks I intend to close down the heidegger list. This decision is part of a wider set of decisions having to do with the present circumstances of the Spoon Collective - which, as you probably know, has been running this list. The Spoon Collective, of which I am the sole surviving founder, has been operating continually for over 10 years. Of the 8 people who currently constitute it, 3 have been in it basically from the very beginning, and almost all the others for almost as long. When the Spoon Collective was originally created, a crucial aspect of its life was our own passionate involvement in the lists we created or took over. As vehicles for bringing into mutual contact and confrontation thinking people from all over the computerized world - people from astoundingly different walks of life and with astoundingly different ways of thinking, but with a shared passion for more accurate perception and deeper understanding - these lists seemed to us to present a...