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The Daily Chris [sorry, in a punny mood, Chris] wrote this recently:
> I know that by raising this question I place myself in the position of
> referee and no manner of denial would convince anyone that I am not trying
> to be just this. Moreover, most of my contributions here have not been
> explicitly about Heidegger or his texts or commentators. Still, I pose the
> question: Is this an appropriate place to be discussing Israeli politics
> (or any politics for that matter). O seem to be missing a link here.
> Maybe these subjects arise here because... hmmm.... Oh yes, Heidegger was a
> member of the Nazi party for a while, Heidegger wrote the most of his
> corpus during the rise and reign of Nazism, Nazism brought about the
> "holocaust," holocaust was inflicted on European Jewry, Israel was started
> by the remnants of European Jewry, ....
Firstly I must apologise for a grumpy indulgence with my post "heroes". But,
I think it follows loosely a very rough thread to do with the absence of
thinking about such matters as political and military conflicts in the
post-technological, post-Holocaustic, post-post..., worlds, matters which
matter and matters that are potentially Heideggerian food for thought. I
wish to begin to develop such a line or lines of care-ful thought (in spite
of my and others' occasional tendencies towards taking simplistic
footballish-team stands on such; or the tired old oppressed/oppressor,
liberation/occupation, etc takes.) If Heideggerian philosophy/thinking is
anything it is the posing of difficult questions in the face of easy stock
reactions, archaeological digs on the rockfaces of the quotidian and
taken-for-granted byways of human existence... I do not think I was
"discussing Israeli politics" or "any politics" for that matter, but: the
polis is a subject for thinking is it not? And polemos? The continuing
conflicts between radical Islam and the West (e.g., as it surfaces in the
Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the Al-Quaeda-America conflict), not
to mention the continuing conflict between capitalism and anti-capitalism
(e.g., as it surfaces in the anti-globalisation movements), provide great
arenas for thinking polis and polemos, not to mention the nature of
being(human).
> I goes something like that, right? In my opinion the thread of reasoning
> linking Heidegger to the current situation in Israel is too tenuous.
I do not think it is apropos to link Heidegger in the way Chris mentions
above to any current situation, nevermind the Israeli-Palestine one. What
might well be appropriate would be to attempt to read the situation in
Heideggerian terms, to sing a Heideggerian song about the current or the
currency of the current or the currencing of the current... get in the swim.
>If
> truth be told (on my part), I try to distance myself from linking
> historical events to theoretical developments as a matter of course, since
> it is impossible to show that there is a necessary connection.
>
How on earth do you manage such a distancing? The events must have
eventuated in some kind of nearness in order that you begin to try
distancing... and what are the events apart from some ("theoretical")
interpretation ("linking") of them?
> Sorry
>
> CD
Thanks for raising this weave of issues and sorry again for my bitter joke
below...
michaelP
ps: why the scare quotes around: holocaust, Chris?
>
>>From: michaelP
>>Reply-To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: heroes
>>Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:32:48 +0100
>>
>>sadly in the far east, this result in the world cup:
>>
>>England 1 Brazil 2
>>
>>and far more sadly in the not so far east in the latest world hooligan cup
>>match replay:
>>
>>Palestine 20 Israel 1 (palestinian own goal, scorer sent off)
>>
>>and, of course, Palestine loses again (humanity-wise)
>>
>>watch this space for the result of the match between two nuclear tribes in a
>>final where only one can score (frankie goes to bollywood)
>>
>>come on baby light my fire
>>
>>michael the P
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2">The Daily Chris [sorry, in=
a punny mood, Chris] wrote this recently:<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
> I know that by raising this question I place myself in the position of=
<BR>
> referee and no manner of denial would convince anyone that I am not tr=
ying <BR>
> to be just this. Moreover, most of my contributions here have no=
t been <BR>
> explicitly about Heidegger or his texts or commentators. Still, =
I pose the <BR>
> question: Is this an appropriate place to be discussing Israeli politi=
cs <BR>
> (or any politics for that matter). O seem to be missing a link h=
ere. <BR>
> Maybe these subjects arise here because... hmmm.... Oh yes, Heidegger =
was a <BR>
> member of the Nazi party for a while, Heidegger wrote the most of his =
<BR>
> corpus during the rise and reign of Nazism, Nazism brought about the <=
BR>
> "holocaust," holocaust was inflicted on European Jewry, Isra=
el was started <BR>
> by the remnants of European Jewry, ....<BR>
<BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">Firstly I must apologise for a grumpy indulgence with=
my post "heroes". But, I think it follows loosely a very rough th=
read to do with the <U>absence of thinking</U> about such matters as politic=
al and military conflicts in the post-technological, post-Holocaustic, post-=
post..., worlds, matters which matter and matters that are potentially Heide=
ggerian food for thought. I wish to begin to develop such a line or lines of=
care-ful thought (in spite of <U>my</U> and others' occasional tendencies t=
owards taking simplistic footballish-team stands on such; or the tired old o=
ppressed/oppressor, liberation/occupation, etc takes.) If Heideggerian philo=
sophy/thinking is anything it is the posing of difficult questions in the fa=
ce of easy stock reactions, archaeological digs on the rockfaces of the quot=
idian and taken-for-granted byways of human existence... I do not think I wa=
s "discussing Israeli politics" or "any politics" for th=
at matter, but: the polis is a subject for thinking is it not? And polemos? =
The continuing conflicts between radical Islam and the West (e.g., as it sur=
faces in the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the Al-Quaeda-America con=
flict), not to mention the continuing conflict between capitalism and anti-c=
apitalism (e.g., as it surfaces in the anti-globalisation movements), provid=
e great arenas for thinking polis and polemos, not to mention the nature of =
being(human).<BR>
</FONT> <BR>
> I goes something like that, right? In my opinion the thread of r=
easoning <BR>
> linking Heidegger to the current situation in Israel is too tenuous.<B=
R>
<BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">I do not think it is apropos to link Heidegger <U>in =
the way Chris mentions</U> above to any current situation, nevermind the Isr=
aeli-Palestine one. What might well be appropriate would be to attempt to re=
ad the situation in Heideggerian terms, to sing a Heideggerian song about th=
e current or the currency of the current or the currencing of the current...=
get in the swim.<BR>
</FONT><BR>
>If <BR>
> truth be told (on my part), I try to distance myself from linking <BR>
> historical events to theoretical developments as a matter of course, s=
ince <BR>
> it is impossible to show that there is a necessary connection. <BR>
><BR>
<BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">How on earth do you manage such a distancing? The eve=
nts must have eventuated in some kind of nearness in order that you begin to=
try distancing... and what <U>are</U> the events apart from some ("the=
oretical") interpretation ("linking") of them?<BR>
</FONT> <BR>
> Sorry <BR>
> <BR>
> CD<BR>
<BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">Thanks for raising this weave of issues and sorry aga=
in for my bitter joke below...<BR>
<BR>
michaelP<BR>
<BR>
ps: why the scare quotes around: holocaust, Chris?<BR>
</FONT><BR>
> <BR>
>>From: michaelP <BR>
>>Reply-To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>
>>To: heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>
>>Subject: heroes <BR>
>>Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:32:48 +0100 <BR>
>> <BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#808000">>>sadly in the far east, this result in the wor=
ld cup: <BR>
>> <BR>
>>England 1 Brazil 2 <BR>
>> <BR>
>>and far more sadly in the not so far east in the latest world hooli=
gan cup <BR>
>>match replay: <BR>
>> <BR>
>>Palestine 20 Israel 1 (palestinian own goal, scorer sent off) <BR>
>> <BR>
>>and, of course, Palestine loses again (humanity-wise) <BR>
>> <BR>
>>watch this space for the result of the match between two nuclear tr=
ibes in a <BR>
>>final where only one can score (frankie goes to bollywood) <BR>
>> <BR>
>>come on baby light my fire <BR>
>> <BR>
>>michael the P </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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