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Here is a recent example of Malthus' Thomistic Philosophy (Social =
Darwinism) by the notorious former World Bank Chief economist and US =
Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers:
"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the =
lowest wage country is impeccable... because foregone earnings from =
increased morbidity" are low. He adds that "the underpopulated countries =
in Africa are vastly underpolluted; their air quality is probably vastly =
inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles.... "
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From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Anxious to
John Foster wrote:
>anxiety DEFINITELY is NOT
>found in dealings with the factical; in the text I gave you,
>Heidegger says
>exactly the opposite. The anxiety that is found in dealings
>with the factical is ontic anxiety.
>
>Anthony, now that is a twist. What do I call ontological
>anxiety? Do you have a reference to that?
You are interpreting Heideggerian anxiety as anxiety about something=20
concrete. You gave examples like a mother's anxiety about her endangered =
child, and an ecologist's anxiety over the collapse of the ecosystem. =
Those=20
are both factical anxieties.=20
So you are opposed to interpretations? A mother''s anxiety over her =
child's US inflicted injuries in Baghdad are real. Her child may have =
been hit in the head by pieces of concrete dislodged by a cruise =
missile. This is a fact. And there are hundreds of anxious parents with =
injured children.=20
US taxpayer, the poor, the investor also are anxious about the =
additional $75 billion in spending this month for the purposes of =
dropping more cruise missiles. Next month there will be more money =
needed.
But Heidegger explicitly says, "That in the=20
face of which one has anxiety is not an entity within-the-world," and =
"That=20
in the face of which one is anxious is completely indefinite," and =
"Nothing=20
which is ready-to-hand or present-at-hand within the world functions as =
that=20
in the face of which anxiety is anxious," and "In anxiety one does nto=20
encounter this thing or that thing which, as something threatening, must =
have an involvement," and "That in teh face of which one has anxiety is=20
characterized by the fact taht what threatens is nowhere," and "Anxiety =
does=20
not know what that in the face of which it is anxious is." (SuZ 186) So =
he=20
is not talking about a factical anxiety about something factical at all.
Now you are loggin'. The ultimate threat associated with acute anxiety =
is death. Death is indefinite. You must understand this very well.
Here is what Piotr writes:
"The all-pervasiveness and omnipresence of death's threat to an =
individual is captured by Heidegger with the term 'indefiniteness'. The =
possibility of death is indefinite, for it is not confined to any =
particular moment or time span. The possibility of death can materilize =
at any moment. Furthermore, since Heidegger argues (in section 70 of =
Being and Time) that space is encountered from within temporal project =
of Dasein, the indefiniteness of death's 'when' (BT 302) implies its =
lack of connection with any particular 'here' or 'there'. This is why =
the threat disclosed in anxiety - the threat of death (BT 310) - is =
perceived as coming at us from 'nowhere' (BT 231). Now, since due to its =
indefiniteness, the possibility of death is disclosed to us as a =
'constant threat' (BT 310), the parallel we have drawn between the =
threat of the evil demon in Descartes and the threat of death in =
Heidegger is vindicated. Both threats are constant and all-pervasive; =
both threats reveal to the individual the powerlessness and the =
vulnerability of his condition."=20
Anxiety is a 'state of mind'.....
More on anxiety later.....john
>The ontological form of anxiety is found
>precisely in the COLLAPSE of all dealing with the factical,
>thereby
>collapsing all interpretations of Dasein in terms of
>factical beings,
>thereby disclosing Dasein as pure potentiality for being as
>such.
>
>Interesting Anthony, do you have a reference to this?
"That which anxiety is profoundly anxious about is not a definite kind =
of=20
Being for Dasein or a definite possibility for it. Indeed the threat =
itself=20
is indefinite, and therefore cannot penetrate threateningly to this or =
that=20
factically concrete potentiality-for-Being. That which anxiety is =
anxious=20
about is Being-in-the-world itself. In anxiety what is environmentally=20
ready-to-hand sinks away, and so in general do entities =
within-the-world.=20
The world can offer nothing more, and neither can teh Dasein-with of =
Others.=20
Anxiety thus takes away from Dasein the possibility of understanding =
itself,=20
as it falls, in tersm of the world and the way things have been publicly =
interpreted. Anxiety throws Dasein back upon that which it is anxious =
about=20
- ITS AUTHENTIC POTENTIALITY-FOR-BEING-IN-THE-WORLD, which as somethign =
that=20
understands, projects itself essentially upon possibilities. Therefore, =
with=20
that which it is anxious about, ANXIETY DISCLOSES DASEIN AS=20
BEING-POSSIBLE...." (SuZ 187)
Anthony Crifasi
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is a recent example of Malthus' =
Thomistic=20
Philosophy (Social Darwinism) by the notorious former World Bank Chief =
economist=20
and US Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> "I think the economic logic =
behind dumping a=20
load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable... because =
foregone=20
earnings from increased morbidity" are low. He adds that "the =
underpopulated=20
countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted; their air quality is =
probably=20
vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles.... "<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Anthony Crifasi" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"
mailto:crifasi@xxxxxxxxxxx";><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>crifasi@xxxxxxxxxxx</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"
mailto:heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:04 =
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: Anxious =
to</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Foster wrote:<BR><BR>>anxiety =
DEFINITELY is=20
NOT<BR>>found in dealings with the factical; in the text I gave=20
you,<BR>>Heidegger says<BR>>exactly the opposite. The anxiety that =
is=20
found in dealings<BR>>with the factical is ontic=20
anxiety.<BR>><BR>>Anthony, now that is a twist. What do I call=20
ontological<BR>>anxiety? Do you have a reference to that?<BR><BR>You =
are=20
interpreting Heideggerian anxiety as anxiety about something =
<BR>concrete. You=20
gave examples like a mother's anxiety about her endangered <BR>child, =
and an=20
ecologist's anxiety over the collapse of the ecosystem. Those <BR>are =
both=20
factical anxieties. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>So you are opposed =
to=20
interpretations? A mother''s anxiety over her child's US inflicted =
injuries in=20
Baghdad are real. Her child may have been hit in the head by pieces of =
concrete=20
dislodged by a cruise missile. This is a fact. And there are hundreds of =
anxious=20
parents with injured children. </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 =
size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>US taxpayer, the =
poor, the=20
investor also are anxious about the additional $75 billion in spending =
this=20
month for the purposes of dropping more cruise missiles. Next month =
there will=20
be more money needed.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But Heidegger explicitly says, "That in =
the=20
<BR>face of which one has anxiety is not an entity within-the-world," =
and "That=20
<BR>in the face of which one is anxious is completely indefinite," and =
"Nothing=20
<BR>which is ready-to-hand or present-at-hand within the world functions =
as that=20
<BR>in the face of which anxiety is anxious," and "In anxiety one does =
nto=20
<BR>encounter this thing or that thing which, as something threatening, =
must=20
<BR>have an involvement," and "That in teh face of which one has anxiety =
is=20
<BR>characterized by the fact taht what threatens is nowhere," and =
"Anxiety does=20
<BR>not know what that in the face of which it is anxious is." (SuZ 186) =
So he=20
<BR>is not talking about a factical anxiety about something factical at=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080><EM>Now you are loggin'. The =
ultimate threat=20
associated with acute anxiety is death. Death is indefinite. You =
must=20
understand this very well.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080>Here is what Piotr=20
writes:</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000><FONT color=3D#000080>"The=20
all-pervasiveness and omnipresence of death's threat to an individual is =
captured by Heidegger with the term 'indefiniteness'. The possibility of =
death=20
is indefinite, for it is not confined to any particular moment or time =
span. The=20
possibility of death can materilize at any moment. Furthermore, since =
Heidegger=20
argues (in section 70 of Being and Time) that space is encountered from =
within=20
temporal project of Dasein, the indefiniteness of death's 'when' (BT =
302)=20
implies its lack of connection with any particular 'here' or 'there'. =
This is=20
why the threat disclosed in anxiety - the threat of death (BT 310) - is=20
perceived as coming at us from 'nowhere' (BT 231). Now, since due to its =
indefiniteness, the possibility of death is disclosed to us as a =
'constant=20
threat' (BT 310), the parallel we have drawn between the threat of the =
evil=20
demon in Descartes and the threat of death in Heidegger is vindicated. =
Both=20
threats are constant and all-pervasive; both threats reveal to the =
individual=20
the powerlessness and the vulnerability of his condition."</FONT>=20
</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080>Anxiety is a 'state of=20
mind'.....</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080>More on anxiety=20
later.....john</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>>The ontological form of anxiety is =
found<BR>>precisely in=20
the COLLAPSE of all dealing with the =
factical,<BR>>thereby<BR>>collapsing=20
all interpretations of Dasein in terms of<BR>>factical =
beings,<BR>>thereby=20
disclosing Dasein as pure potentiality for being=20
as<BR>>such.<BR>><BR>>Interesting Anthony, do you have a =
reference to=20
this?<BR><BR>"That which anxiety is profoundly anxious about is not a =
definite=20
kind of <BR>Being for Dasein or a definite possibility for it. Indeed =
the threat=20
itself <BR>is indefinite, and therefore cannot penetrate threateningly =
to this=20
or that <BR>factically concrete potentiality-for-Being. That which =
anxiety is=20
anxious <BR>about is Being-in-the-world itself. In anxiety what is=20
environmentally <BR>ready-to-hand sinks away, and so in general do =
entities=20
within-the-world. <BR>The world can offer nothing more, and neither can =
teh=20
Dasein-with of Others. <BR>Anxiety thus takes away from Dasein the =
possibility=20
of understanding itself, <BR>as it falls, in tersm of the world and the =
way=20
things have been publicly <BR>interpreted. Anxiety throws Dasein back =
upon that=20
which it is anxious about <BR>- ITS AUTHENTIC=20
POTENTIALITY-FOR-BEING-IN-THE-WORLD, which as somethign that =
<BR>understands,=20
projects itself essentially upon possibilities. Therefore, with <BR>that =
which=20
it is anxious about, ANXIETY DISCLOSES DASEIN AS <BR>BEING-POSSIBLE...." =
(SuZ=20
187)<BR><BR>Anthony=20
Crifasi<BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________________=
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