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> > John:
>
> > I like that phrase "minimizing the singularity" which is a classic
> > understatement. I use the term holocaust all the time to describe
similar events such
> > as the 'biocaust' occurring in Jud Land where Jud lives.
> >
> > So what does the phrase 'minimizing the singularity' of the act mean?
>
> Jud:
> Attempting [like Rene does] to divert attention from the enormity of the
Nazi
> atrocities by drawing attention to other wicked acts [the Dresden Raids
for
> example] It is interesting and instructive that Rene and Heidegger use
the
> same ploy.
John here,
the point I was attempting to make was that it is practically useless to
'dwell' on the past all the time, and deal with the past in purely 'emotive'
language (esp. in terms of complex worldly events like wars). The primary
humanitarian issues relevant now are occurring in Iraq, Afghanistan, the
French Congo (Zaire), Korea, and believe or not the USA. This list is only a
partial list of the very important areas of conflict currently which need to
be 'dwelt' with immediately. The USA lacks the resources to accomplish
restoring/creating democracies in Iraq or Afghanistan since it is (1)
(technically)' financially bankrupt, and (2) it is highly distrusted in Arab
Muslim countries as it is highly distrusted in many other countries.
The problem with discussing these issues over and over again is that all
that occurs is an 'argument' and during the time we have to waste on banter,
there are more land mines being deposited in new soils somewhere (eg., US is
not signatory to an international treaty on banning landmines). When 2
people argue they fail to reach any conclusions in 'tandem'...
I think Heidegger was able to demonstrate how thinking can become
'authentic' since in order to think something, we need to establish what
purpose there is to think; thus thinking is in essence 'purposive' in the
first place. For example Dr. Setting suggests that even a small child can
think purposively:
"A mother asked her daughter to stop eating her soup with a fork:
'Nobody eats soup with a fork, dear' the mother said.
'But I am somebody. If I am somebody, then I can eat soup with a fork.'
The only really ethical way out of this for the mom is to 'rephrase' the
question to her daughter. The daughter was thinking with a purpose....
That means that despite our 'prejudices' and cherished convictions or
beliefs, we still need to go beyond 'argument' and accomplish something much
more 'rational' (reach sound conclusions) together. Sure I can re-read my
"Babi-Yar"
"A Light in the Forest"
"None of Us Shall Return"
and many other 'primary sources' of holocaust literature. I have read all of
these at least 2 times. And each time I read 'Babi-Yar' the more moving it
is. It is not only NDAP who have committed crimes against Jews, but the
Hungarians (for instance these people put all the Hungarian Jews into rail
cars before the NDAP arrived in Hungary. Most of these Jews died 'en route'
due to a lack of oxygen in the Box Cars. In some casese the Hungarians
packed up to 3000 jews into a single railroad box car.
"Tony B (a) Liar"
is partly true. He simply is incapable of full 'purposive thinking' and has
little faith in true multi-lateralism....or so it would seem. Now he has to
raise an additional 9 Billion Pounds to stay in the game with the US. Too
bad he is the leader of the Labour Party...they need to dump him as quickly
as possible....
chao
John
>
> >
> > John:
> > I would also like to know what is essentially the 'argument' which Jud
is
> > making against Heidegger. For example is it that he was a member of the
Nazi?
> > party? If so, then it would appear that all Germans, especially all
youths
> > were also Nazi's. (All German youth were inducted into Hitler Youth).
And what
> > Recktor of any German University would not have been required to be a
member
> > of the Nazi Party? It was interesting too that Heidegger soon resigned
his
> > role as Recktor.
>
> Jud:
> Heidegger was sympathetic to nazism long before he volunteered and joined.
> Yes, OK he was an opportunist, but remember he was the official Nazi
candidate
> for the post of Rektor. German youth had no option - Heidegger did and
> couldn't wait to be photographed with his Nazi badge in a Hitler-like pose
quick
> enough. He was an enthusiastic evangelist for the Nazi cause even
organising
> work-brigades and Nazi 'education# meetings in his Hutte.
>
> >
> > John:
>
> What Jud is alleging almost is that Heidegger participated actively in the
> extermination of German Jews. Of course that is precisely what he cannot
prove,
> so
> > his rages have no more depth nor content than a blade of grass after a
> > drought.
>
> Jud:
> I am glad that you didn't accuse me of alleging that H participated
actively
> in the extermination of German Jews, for that would have been an outright
lie
> verging on slander. How can one 'almost' allege something - one either
> alleges or does not allege? I REPEAT - By associating himself as a
professor in
> the high position of University-Fuhrer with an organisation which had as
its
> MAIN programme the ridding of Jewry from Germany, Heidegger lent
> respectability and misbegotten authority to the Nazis.
> Hitler had already published his intention to hang Jews from lamposts in
the
> early twenties [from memory] I posted the text of these threats by Hitler
> [which Heidegger MUST have been aware of] a few years ago on this list,
but I've
> lost the text now. Michael tends to keep messages in his own archive,
maybe
> he can find the document. On the other hand he might sieze on this
> possibility to announce that he bins all mine ;-)
>
> I have a hunch that Heidegger was forced to resign his Rectoral post,
most
> probably because the Gestapo had found out about his relationship with
Arendt,
> this might help explain Arendt's extraordinary descision to renew their
> relationship after the war. Maybe in her mind she rationalised his
dismissal as some
> kind of romantic sacrifice that he had made on her behalf? Perhaps when
the
> full archive is made available the facts of his relinguishment of the
> Rektorship will emerge?
>
> John:
> > Even the 'ad hominem' arguments he uses against Heidegger are very
> > interesting. Simply quoting what he thinks is 'unacceptable' to him, but
may actually
> > be appropriate and fitting to others (eg. agriculture production being
> > compared that way is exactly why the the WTO was meeting in Cancun
recently, and
> > where a Korean youth killed himself in protest of the rich countries
with the
> > tremendous national subsidies and import tarrifs.)
>
>
> Jud:
> What has Cancun to do with Heidegger's Nazi Party's Concentration Camps
and
> Heidegger's reference to them in such a thoughtless way, which was
calculated
> to hurt and cause offense the families of survivors?
>
> >
> > John:
>
> It's almost as if Jud is living on a different planet, Jud Land, some
where
> in the imaginary hatelands of one man.
>
> >
> > Jud:
> > The only 'hate-land' I personally experience in my life is the
hate-land'
> > peopled by SOME members of this list when I open my mailbox.
>
> Does the constant bile and vituperation affect me? Not at all - its par
> for the course in the mad world of transcendentalism. ;-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jud.
>
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