From: "John Foster" <borealis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:13:43 -0700
Over-exploitation of human and natural capital ultimately results in
depletion of both.
Taken in this context, then exploitation is sustainble.
The issue was if technology, according to Heidegger, is 'over-exploiting' of
humanit and nature. Now it was claimed by Heidegger that modern technology
has form the essence of modern humanity.
The character forming principle according to Heidegger informing modern
techne is one of a 'totalizing efficiency' [cf. Juenger].
Modern technology 'informs' and 'sets up' a copy of a model. However it is
the 'informing' nature of modern technology which is being questioned, not
specifically what is 'set up' - certainly that is in question too, but this
being which is 'set up' is not in question, rather what effects the 'up set'
is resulting from the 'set up' <Ge Stellen> which more likely appears as an
'irrational overview of reality'.
The primary question about modern human dasein is the 'principle which
informs the character' which is in a 'nutshell' modern technology.
Everything excluded from the world forming and character forming principle
is referred to collectively as 'artesanal' in character, unfathomable in
terms of generalizations [laws] except by artesans....What is not modern,
is artesanal, or an artefact, but it is also 'unlawful' [cf. Plato, "...a
law is a discovery of reality"]
In comp-arison, an artesanal feature is something irrational, unlawful,
unreplicable, and redundant since it is not part of the 'whole world' of
being-in. Whereas modern technology is lawful, rational (in a calculative
sense only), it renders the old world of 'being-in' redundant except as a
curio, as artefact, as possible intrique, in an "Indianna Jones" subject
The Old world sign's are now the new 'semiotics' of desire. The Olde Shoppe
which serves displays an 'emotionally gratifying' ale or stout....something
which anyone can make for pennies per litre if they take the time. Really
the technology is vastly different: the ingredients come from around the
world, the water is distilled and filtered, et cetera. Large aluminum vats
wait while the mixture is brewing. Nothing at all in similarity to the Old
Shoppe where there were wooden beer staves made of oak et cetera. Nothing
similar except the end product...which is worth a fortune since it came from
around the world.
My point is that modern technology - if we are questioning it's character
forming principle - is revealed in it's informing capacity to create a
universe of meaning ...from out of (nothing) perhaps. What is informed is an
'emptiness' or vaccuum-esque nature, a potential for wholeness and
authenticity; what reveals itself as the informed is information which leads
to knowledge but not necessarily 'knowing' [cf Heidegger, "The Phenomenology
We don't know you we are, but we know what we are capable of:
Auschwitz, Bhagdad, Hiroshima, the Gulags
total annihilation for some of us will not return
john ferlingetter aka forester aka foster
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From: "John Foster" <borealis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: lies and lies
> > while: WE are mit-responsible for Auschwitz. but the Jews are in
> > so we're the good, so that we always have an excuse, for everything that
> will come.
> > But WE are the evil (not the Jews!). And these books about "Heidegger
> > are evil, freezing us in our just, juddish position.
> > It's all so simple, what is there to understand?
> > rene
> Well it is sad this. It is sad we are responsible for these crimes. Let
> put it this way. We have unjustly enriched ourselves after the gold and
> other valuables were stripped and rendered from the Jewish nations within
> Germany, Hungary, Russia, et cetera. The survivors? Who are they?
> the ones in Scandinavia, and Italy for the most part.
> The reality is that the wealth which was stripped was deposited primarily
> anonymous bank accounts located in Switzerland and other countries. How
> billions (in Duestchmarks, in Dollars) are still there?
> If the German Jew did not possess wealth of any substance (land,
> and money), then the fascist criminals would not have helped themselves to
> the wealth of the others. Many Jews were used temporarily as 'slave
> and then disposed of. In some cases, everything of the Jew was 'used'
> including skin and fat.
> The analogy I would like to make is that this crime was not only a crime
> the NSDAP, but a crime of many organizations and individuals. Look at what
> Hungary did prior to the NSDAP arriving in Hungary. Well most of us who
> history know that Hungary gathered all the Jewery there and put them into
> cattle cars long before the NSDAP, the SS had entered the country.
> What did the USA do about taking into it's country German Jewish children?
> The Senate deliberated and finally said that it was 'unchristian' to
> separate parents from the children. So the US did not sponsor any Jewish
> children from Germany during the late 1930's.
> We are all responsible because we have not returned to those which does
> belong to us. We are 'unjustly' enriched.
> There is another analogy to be made. The fascists did not simply hate the
> Jews, that would be to facile, they really looked apon the Jews as 'pigs'
> which live in the lower stratums of society and are fed garbage, which is
> recycled into fat, and meat. Every once and awhile a fueher has to come
> along, and be decisive, and butcher the pigs so that their final value can
> be translated into food and clothing.
> The use of the term 'pigs' is obviously one that is used in many
> capitalist pigs, male chauvanist pigs, et cetera. Therefore anyone who was
> directly involved in the 'final solution' was simply carrying out what was
> part of any civilized farming practice (you have to know that most of the
> rich Jews had already left Germany) in which livestock like pigs,
> were being utilized. In the case of the NDSAP, it was not because of a
> of a master race, or Xtian war, but rather, a belief that the Jew was
> 'unjustly rich' even though most German Jews (99%) were living in ghettos,
> and very poor. The reality was that the German soldier was fed a promise
> land, and for all that land entails. Thus the NSDAP had to find the land
> order to obtain the soldiers. The easiest land to take of course was the
> Jewish properties of 6-7 million German Jews, which came to be known
> as the greatest act of fratricide in world history.
> Depending on whether your great grandparents were jewish before 1759 or
> something made a huge difference: it meant life or death. And for the
> Fhuerer himself, he hired a lawyer to investigate his own past; not
> surprizingly the Fhuerer carpet bombed the town of his birth place in
> Austria. This village or town simply was erased in an attempt to erase one
> man's history. Any wonder why? Hitler was born to a mother who was an
> 'illegitimate' child of a woman who worked for a 'rich Jew' in the area.
> rumour (if not fact) was that the father was Jewish. Hitler would have to
> kill himself if that was true, or repeal the law.
> We did It
> None Shall Return
> We are all poor in Spirit
> No valid nor adverse inferences can be made with reference to Heidegger's
> involvement in a war crime. However, more adverse and valid inferences can
> be made about certain Christian Senators and their involvement in a war
> crime...obviously since the children of German Jews were taken in by the
> Brits, and the Canadians, and the Scandinavians....
> john foster
> Of course I was born after the end of WW2....
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