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From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidegger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: "We're Changing the World"
> Frank wrote:
>
> >That point has absolutely nothing to do with who attacked who, so the
> >latter
> >was not what my Japan analogy was meant to address, but rather
specifically
> >whether a democracy can be implanted where there has been "no tradition
or
> >practice of democracy." And Japan proves that it can be, contra your
claim.
> >
> >Anthony Crifasi
> >
> >Anthony,
> >
> >I find your reply astonishing! The Iraqis are not a defeated people whose
> >government has signed a declaration of surrender. Nor have we dropped two
> >atomic
> >bombs on any of their cities. Do we need to drop a few in order to
> >will-to-power them into submission?? Maybe then they'd be more receptive
to
> >democracy?
>
> The fact that two atomic bombs were dropped doesn't change the fact that
> there had been "no tradition or practice of democracy" in Japan
previously.
> So by your reasoning, Japanese democracy should have quickly fallen apart,
> much less remained as stable as it has. And that was only after 7 years of
> US occupation. It's only been a year in Iraq, so by any historical
standard
> the criticisms you are putting forth are incredibly premature.
>
> Anthony Crifasi
I think what Anthony is saying Frank is that like Bush, who hopes to find
WMD in Iraq, that they will find a sufficient reason for the Iraqi people to
capitulate to colonial rule. The difference here is that Anthony is hoping
to find some evil in Iraq - find WMDs - which would convince the Iraqi's how
good the US is!
Or he is hoping eventually that more greater harm will change the minds of
the Iraqi's. And that is the whole purpose for fighting in cities like
Fallujah. Just shoot your way through and in and out, and hope one day that
all the insurgents will be in prison or dead.
Most of what Anthony is expressing is a vain hope which has no basis in
history nor logic.
What Anthony is alluding to is really amazing. He is indicating that if the
situation was the US being invaded by Japan [or Iraq], then eventually
because Japan was successful, that the US population would capitulate.
Essentially confirming that the Bush Admin believes to be the case: that the
US is motivated by the "Almighty" to "bring democracy" to the world. That is
to use a very large lethal hammer including internationally banned cluster
bombs in Fallujah.
That is how he sees it.
chao
john foster
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