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+  From: "Architexturez South Asia." <admin-in@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
+  Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:56:24 -0700
Santosh, this is how i would understand the term,

~ closed system ~
A traditional cybernetics term connoting a system which is hermetically
isolated with respect to environmental influence (e.g., impervious to
external "feedback"), and hence not responsive or adaptive to its medium
over time. The opposite of an "open system" (in the same traditional
terminology).
Critics of Maturana and Varela have interpreted the defining closure of
autonomous / autopoietic systems to indicate these are "closed systems" in
the traditional sense. This is quite simply not the case, and results from
(a) a misinterpretation of Maturana and Varela's terminology and (b)
inattention to the manner in which the explanatory constructs underlying a
traditional ascription of system "openness" (e.g., feedback) are addressed
in autopoietic theory.

"Please note that when we speak of organizational closure, by no means do we
imply interactional closure, i.e., the system in total isolation. We do
assume that every system will maintain endless interactions with the
environment which will impinge and perturb it. If this were not so, we could
not even distinguish it."

(Varela & Goguen, 1978, p. 294, emphasis in the original)

from
ENCYCLOPAEDIA AUTOPOIETICA , An Annotated Lexical Compendium on Autopoiesis
and Enaction by Randall Whitaker

http://www.informatik.umu.se/~rwhit/EA.html#C

i have put another paper by Maturana and Varella at

http://www.ab-a.net/pac/src/articles-28335_autopoiesis.doc

(temporary URL, will delete in a day or two).


----- Original Message -----
From: "santosh thorat" <thoratsan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Concerned about habitat and the professions."
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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: [in-enaction]


> nilkant,i am still confused,exactly what do u mean by
> closed system?
> when we speak about nano world, it has got its own
> intricate systems
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